Discussion:
Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
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Chris M
2024-06-02 18:10:01 UTC
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I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the
text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't
figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without
having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.

Any ideas on how?

Here is an example:

Original:
https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh


After hitting "CTRL +" 1 time:
https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq


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e***@gmx.us
2024-06-02 18:40:01 UTC
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I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text
is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use
CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size.
I don't know why.

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Bret Busby
2024-06-02 18:50:01 UTC
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Post by e***@gmx.us
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text
is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use
CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size.
 I don't know why.
Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one
for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have
sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more
properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.

In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings),
I have

Fonts for (Latin)
Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20)
Serif: Andika
Sans-serif: Andika
Monospace: Andika Size (20)

Font Control
Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked

You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as
the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)

But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They
seem to work for me.
Minimum font size: 20

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Bret Busby
2024-06-02 19:00:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Post by e***@gmx.us
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the text
is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't figure
out what to change to make the text a little bigger without having to use
CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
Yeah, I usually have to hit ^+ 4-5 times to make the text a reasonable size.
  I don't know why.
Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one
for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have
sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more
properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings),
 I have
Fonts for (Latin)
Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
Serif: Andika
Sans-serif: Andika
Monospace: Andika Size (20)
Font Control
Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as
the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They
seem to work for me.
Minimum font size: 20
Sorry - two sets of things that I missed in my above message.

1, In the Edit -> Settings, it is further
-> General -> Language and Appearance -> Fonts and Colours -> Advanced
(with Default font set to Andika, Default font size set to 20)

2. Also, further to the above setting, is the part

Plain Text Messages
Display emoticons as graphics (I have that checked, but others may not
so want it)
When displaying quoted plain text messages:
Style: (Regular) Size: (Regular)

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Chris M
2024-06-02 20:00:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one
for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have
sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more
properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account
settings),  I have
Fonts for (Latin)
Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
Serif: Andika
Sans-serif: Andika
Monospace: Andika Size (20)
Font Control
Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference,
as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also.
They seem to work for me.
Minimum font size: 20
G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's
2:54 PM CDT here in the US.

But Anyhoo:

Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you
find that font at?


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Bret Busby
2024-06-02 20:30:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Post by Bret Busby
Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one
for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have
sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more
properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following.
In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account
settings),  I have
Fonts for (Latin)
Proportional: (Sans-serif)  Size (20)
Serif: Andika
Sans-serif: Andika
Monospace: Andika Size (20)
Font Control
Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked
Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked
You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference,
as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it)
But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also.
They seem to work for me.
Minimum font size: 20
G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's
2:54 PM CDT here in the US.
Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you
find that font at?
Hello, Chris.

We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time
here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night.

Andika? Search for it in Synaptic...
:)

I am not sure whether apt find still works.

Package name is fonts-sil-andika

I use only the basic Andika font.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
Chris M
2024-06-02 21:20:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Hello, Chris.
We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time
here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night.
OH man, 4:30 AM! That's way too early for me!
Post by Bret Busby
Andika?  Search for it in Synaptic...
:)
I am not sure whether apt find still works.
Package name is fonts-sil-andika
I use only the basic Andika font.
Ah, okay... Thanks!

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Darac Marjal
2024-06-02 19:10:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the
text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't
figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without
having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
Post by Chris M
https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh
https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq
============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
CHRIS
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~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
Bret Busby
2024-06-02 19:10:01 UTC
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Post by Darac Marjal
Post by Chris M
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the
text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't
figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without
having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
Post by Chris M
https://imgur.com/a/mFfgBLh
https://imgur.com/a/eK1mERq
For

Language
Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and notifications
from Thunderbird.

I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that
tries to impose characters that are not what I want.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Chris M
2024-06-02 20:10:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
For
Language
Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and
notifications from Thunderbird.
I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that
tries to impose characters that are not what I want.
....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
So, I am guessing that any ENGLISH speaking country uses UTF-8?

US, GB ( Canada, Australia, Probably South Africa, uses GB for spell
checking)

If not, then what happens to my email? Is it shown in a different font,
than what you have specified on your end?

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Felix Miata
2024-06-02 19:50:02 UTC
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Post by Darac Marjal
Post by Chris M
I noticed that in SeaMonkey Mail's latest version 2.53.18.2 that the
text is small in SOME emails, and in some emails its fine. And I can't
figure out what to change to make the text a little bigger without
having to use CTRL ++ on those certain emails.
Any ideas on how?
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
Font size prefs are in file prefs.js in the profile's root directory. I'll bet
Post by Darac Marjal
grep font.size prefs.js
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-central-euro", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-cyrillic", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-unicode", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-user-def", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-western", 18);
user_pref("font.size.fixed.zh-CN", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.ja", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-central-euro", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-cyrillic", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-unicode", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-user-def", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-western", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-CN", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-HK", 20);
user_pref("font.size.variable.zh-TW", 20);
Open about:config to see those that remain at 16 or 12 default grossly outnumber
any you have set. The file only contains those that have been changed from default
16 for variable and 12 or 13 for fixed. About:config lists all that are provided
by default.
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Chris M
2024-06-02 20:20:01 UTC
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Post by Darac Marjal
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
Post by Darac Marjal
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
< SNIP >
BACK STORY:

This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list:

Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in
what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me
download it"

Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(

But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is
SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved
Netscape Navigator email
client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o

Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)

I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even
remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?

So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were
TINY TINY TINY.

Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to
"VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"

and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user
over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.

"Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"

Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference!

I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling
to Seamonkey?

============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

***@CWM030.COM

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~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
Bret Busby
2024-06-02 20:50:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Post by Darac Marjal
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
Post by Darac Marjal
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
< SNIP >
Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in
what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me
download it"
Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(
But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is
SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved
Netscape Navigator email
client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o
Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)
I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even
remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?
So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were
TINY TINY TINY.
Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to
"VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"
and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user
over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"
Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference!
I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling
to Seamonkey?
I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and,
less likely to crash.

I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a
number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have
only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have
and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and
Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey
and Fartyfox.

For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and
responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing,
archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email
application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use
claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
Chris M
2024-06-02 21:20:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Post by Chris M
Post by Darac Marjal
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird
allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if
Post by Darac Marjal
you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you
can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font
for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other
Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 -
if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not
be using the font you think you've set.
< SNIP >
Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested
in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years,
let me download it"
Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-(
But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is
SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my
beloved Netscape Navigator email
client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o
Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-)
I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't
even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009?
So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person
were TINY TINY TINY.
Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to
"VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE"
and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user
over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8.
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"
Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference!
I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix
are the only ones that still cling
to Seamonkey?
I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources,
and, less likely to crash.
I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have
a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I
have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I
have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi,
and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use
SeaMonkey and Fartyfox.
For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing
and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing,
archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email
application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use
claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............
I've got a soft spot for Evolution ( Due to loving the OLD Outlook--
Circa 2003) and now SeaMonkey.

Claws-Mail is " eh, okay" but makes forwarding emails with HTML in them
a PITA.

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CHRIS

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James H. H. Lampert
2024-06-03 16:20:01 UTC
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I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
reader that's named after a cheap wine.

In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . .
except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've
tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable
HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted
plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting,
and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor
resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed.

Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park.

--
JHHL
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
Bret Busby
2024-06-03 18:20:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
reader that's named after a cheap wine.
?


....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Lee
2024-06-03 18:30:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
reader that's named after a cheap wine.
?
Thunderbird wine was extremely inexpensive and 42 proof.
In retrospect I'm a bit surprised that I've never tried it. Ripple,
yes. Boone’s Farm, yes. Thunderbird? no.

Lee
Dan Ritter
2024-06-03 18:40:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
reader that's named after a cheap wine.
?
USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine

-dsr-
Chris M
2024-06-03 19:10:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an
email reader that's named after a cheap wine.
In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . .
. except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception)
I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to
disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly
formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into
top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste
finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even
when closed.
Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park.
--
JHHL
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine?

I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with
HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.

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d***@howorth.org.uk
2024-06-03 20:00:02 UTC
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Post by Chris M
I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails
with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.
Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual
problem with it?
Chris M
2024-06-03 20:40:01 UTC
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Post by d***@howorth.org.uk
Post by Chris M
I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails
with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning
letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day.
Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual
problem with it?
When the recipient gets the email it looks jumbled and like the days
USPS mail scans are at the very bottom of the email. instead of under
the right headers
 Its very weird looking. I would just about have to show you for you to
get it.

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Curt
2024-06-06 16:10:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine?
A mutt is a mongrel dog, if that adds anything to the conversation.
Chris M
2024-06-03 19:10:02 UTC
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I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.

Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a
certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?

The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on
Windows 10. And you had
to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.

I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.

Right now my "2024 Archives" folder is at:

Number Of Messages: 4776

Size: 300 MB

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Bret Busby
2024-06-03 19:20:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a
certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1 on
Windows 10. And you had
to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.
I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.
Number Of Messages: 4776
Size: 300 MB
I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but, if
you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have previously
stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving email, the most
powerful email client that I have found - alpine, previously known as pine.

The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
"Total count of files: 13720
Total size of files: 24.5GB"

I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.



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Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Chris M
2024-06-03 19:30:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Post by Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
mailbox a certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
on Windows 10. And you had
to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.
I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.
Number Of Messages: 4776
Size: 300 MB
I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
previously known as pine.
The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
"Total count of files: 13720
Total size of files: 24.5GB"
I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.
....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Hi Bret,

I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a
Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.


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CHRIS

***@CWM030.COM

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Bret Busby
2024-06-03 20:00:02 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Post by Bret Busby
Post by Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
mailbox a certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
on Windows 10. And you had
to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.
I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.
Number Of Messages: 4776
Size: 300 MB
I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
previously known as pine.
The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
"Total count of files: 13720
Total size of files: 24.5GB"
I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.
....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Hi Bret,
I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a
Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.
And, in goggling alpine

"
Alpine supports IMAP, POP, SMTP, NNTP and LDAP protocols natively.
Although it does not support composing HTML email, it can display emails
that only have HTML content as text. Alpine can read and write to
folders in several formats, including Maildir, mbox, the mh format used
by the mh message handling system, mbx, and MIX.
"
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)

So, it appears to be able to deal with your mbox thingy.

alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it, and, the
alpine mailing list includes the current named developer, and, others
who are highly knowledgeable of alpine.

And, alpine's predecessor, pine, has been around, and usable, since
before the Internet.

My current alpine email archive goes back more than 20 years. I was
using pine (and elm) on an IBM 3081 mainframe, in the early 1990's.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Chris M
2024-06-03 20:40:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it,
Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just
kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=***@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=***@FASTMAIL.COM

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

***@CWM030.COM

* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

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Bret Busby
2024-06-03 21:10:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Post by Bret Busby
alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it,
Hi Bret,
So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?
I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just
kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"
Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.
imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris
I tried with an app password, still errored.
used the same app password
FAILED.
Tried typing the password in manually.
FAILED.
Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME
Typed in password.
FAILED
Typed in password by hand
FAILED.
* shrugs*
Here is a suggestion for you...

1. Visit http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

2. Subscribe.

3. Forward the above message to the list, and ask why you cannot log in.

:)

Oh, and, let us know the outcome...

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Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
f***@protonmail.com
2024-06-03 21:10:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Post by Chris M
Post by Bret Busby
Post by Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the
mailbox a certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
The last client I used, before I went FULL TIME LINUX, was Eudora 7.1
on Windows 10. And you had
to keep the .mbx files TINY TINY TINY or else, you'd face corruption.
I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.
Number Of Messages: 4776
Size: 300 MB
I do not know about the mbox file format in email applications, but,
if you want a powerful email client, as I believe that I have
previously stated, I use, for downloading, storing, and, archiving
email, the most powerful email client that I have found - alpine,
previously known as pine.
The folder properties for the applicable stored messages folder, show
"Total count of files: 13720
Total size of files: 24.5GB"
I think that I have a couple of hundred filters (it could be more),
involving some thousands of filter parameter field values.
....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Hi Bret,
I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! its a
Terminal Email client that uses IMAP. interesting.
And, in goggling alpine
"
Alpine supports IMAP, POP, SMTP, NNTP and LDAP protocols natively.
Although it does not support composing HTML email, it can display emails
that only have HTML content as text. Alpine can read and write to
folders in several formats, including Maildir, mbox, the mh format used
by the mh message handling system, mbx, and MIX.
"
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
So, it appears to be able to deal with your mbox thingy.
alpine is available through synaptic, if you want to try it, and, the
alpine mailing list includes the current named developer, and, others
who are highly knowledgeable of alpine.
And, alpine's predecessor, pine, has been around, and usable, since
before the Internet.
My current alpine email archive goes back more than 20 years. I was
using pine (and elm) on an IBM 3081 mainframe, in the early 1990's.
i started using pine in the 90's on hpux
still using alpine and no problems
Bret Busby
2024-06-03 20:10:01 UTC
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On 4/6/24 03:26, Chris M wrote:

<snip>
Post by Chris M
Hi Bret,
I just googled Alpine and, as y'all say in Australia... CRIKEY! i
Funnily enough, I do not remember hearing anyone in Australia, say
"crikey".

Maybe some do, in the eastern states, but, I do not remember hearing the
word (if it is a real word) being spoken, or, written, other it than
being the name of an online political web site.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Felix Miata
2024-06-03 19:40:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a
certain size?
or a certain amount of emails per folder etc?
...
Post by Chris M
I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done
reading emails.
In SM at least, since I've only ever used it and its ancestors, deleting an email
merely copies a "deleted" email to the Trash "folder", and marks its source that
it's been "deleted" so that it becomes invisible in the mailnews reader. It's the
compacting process that actually frees disk space by removing the "deleted"
emails. IOW, "deleting" an email roughly doubles the disk space it consumes until
such time as compacting its source occurs, when both copies get removed from the
storage system.

As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata
Chris M
2024-06-03 22:20:02 UTC
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Post by Felix Miata
As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM.
What I meant was, I always click in SM:

File > Offline > Work Offline

That way SM isn't doing anything in the background while I am compacting
folders. OLD bad habit, I know.


============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

***@CWM030.COM

* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
Max Nikulin
2024-06-05 02:30:01 UTC
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Post by Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox
format to store emails.
It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client.
You may configure local IMAP server (e.g. dovecot) to store your
archive. It allows to avoid issues with variations of mbox formats
across mail user agents. Perhaps it is reasonable to disable message
caching in mail client for the local IMAP server to avoid another copies
of messages on disk.

On the other hand IMAP offline cache for remote servers allows to work
with messages when network is unavailable.
e***@gmx.us
2024-06-03 19:30:01 UTC
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(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named
its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They
were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation
wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The
Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The
email client though, no excuse for that one.

https://drunkard.com/whats-the-word-thunderbird/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(wine)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Thunderbirds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird

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after a good thrashing.
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Bret Busby
2024-06-03 19:50:01 UTC
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(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named
its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.  They
were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation
wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out by 1957.
The
Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955.  The
email client though, no excuse for that one.
But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?

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Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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e***@gmx.us
2024-06-03 20:40:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
Post by e***@gmx.us
Post by James H. H. Lampert
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out
by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came
out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one.
But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?
You mean this series?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)

Looks like it came out in 1964, so the USAF team, wine, and car did. It's
probable Gallo Thunderbird was fairly unknown in 1960s UK, so they're off
the hook.

--
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-- a friend of Traveling-Techie on Reddit
Bret Busby
2024-06-03 21:40:02 UTC
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Post by e***@gmx.us
Post by Bret Busby
Post by e***@gmx.us
Post by James H. H. Lampert
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force
named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
creation wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out
by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came
out in 1955.  The email client though, no excuse for that one.
But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?
You mean this series?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)
"Supermarionation"

?

A country of Super Mario's?

ARRRRRRGH!


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Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................
Greg Wooledge
2024-06-03 22:20:01 UTC
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Post by Bret Busby
(who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named
its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.  They
were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation
wasn't passed until the next year.  The wine was certainly out by 1957.
The
Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955.  The
email client though, no excuse for that one.
But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology)

The thunderbird is a legendary creature particular to North American
indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural
being of power and strength.

I'm pretty sure this one wins the age contest.
Charles Curley
2024-06-03 22:50:02 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:25:12 -0400
Post by e***@gmx.us
The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year.
They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's
creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly
out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it
came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one.
Possibly sore or all of the various Thunderbirds out there were named
for the Native American mythological creatures called thunderbirds.
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Max Nikulin
2024-06-04 02:40:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . .
except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've
tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable
HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted
plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting
When I read this first time I decided that the complains applies to
thunderbird as well. In thunderbird it is configurable. However I admit
that some complications may exist depending on precise definition of
"properly formatted plain-text-only emails".
David Wright
2024-06-04 03:00:01 UTC
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Post by James H. H. Lampert
In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used
. . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single
exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that
have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way
to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try
to trick you into top-posting
When I read this first time I decided that the complain[t] applies to
thunderbird as well. In thunderbird it is configurable. However I
admit that some complications may exist depending on precise
definition of "properly formatted plain-text-only emails".
Well, I can imagine some business/legal-oriented MUA that would
react to attempts to correct a typo in the "original message",
let alone interpolating responses into it, with complaints of
tampering, or threats of reporting you to the legal department.
I guess top-posting is de rigueur in those environments.

Cheers,
David.
Chris M
2024-06-02 20:00:01 UTC
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Post by Darac Marjal
It might be worth checking what language the emails are in.
Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing
system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or
Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you
want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that
there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these
emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for
example - they might not be using the font you think you've set.
Good Point!
Post by Darac Marjal
Post by Chris M
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Chris M
2024-06-02 20:00:01 UTC
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UPDATE:

I might of found a solution to my problem:

I somehow stumbled across:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/no-small-text/?src=search

Then launched Seamonkey browser and set the " NO SMALL TEXT" settings to:

https://imgur.com/a/DvJaTeG


If you're in the US scroll down to " WESTERN FONTS" and set it to:

https://imgur.com/a/Zdvt0eB


And... VIOLA!

https://imgur.com/a/PaidqMN
Post by Chris M
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