printer replacement

[Gerard ROBIN]

Hello,
my old hp ptotosmart printer died. It worked fine with HPLIP. Now I have to
buy a new one but they all use "HP Smart" for Windows exclusively. I would
like to know if these printers are still compatible with HPLIP. The printer
I want to buy is the "HP OfficeJet Pro 8134e All-ine-One" which is linux
compatible according to the specifications but which is configurable with
"HP Smart" under Windows. Will HPLIP be valid for this printer also under
linux ? Otherwise how can it be configured ?

tia.

[Gerard ROBIN]

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 06:49:41 +0100
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Hello Gerard,
I suspect this will fall on deaf ears, but hear goes......

tia.

Four people replied to this exact same question when you asked it
yesterday.
Please read them.

thanks for your reply. Sorry for sending this useless email. I had forgotten
that I was no longer registered on the debian-user list and when I didn't get
a response to my message I realized it and I registered and resent my message.
I read the messages of those who answered me and I thank them. I was asking
for help because I tried to configure the HP Smart Tank 7006 printer but it
was impossible: HPLIP is not suitable, CUPS does not see the printer, avahi
does not either. The Linux driver for this printer is missing. Finally I
returned it and now I'm still looking ... I will think about what Van Snyder
wrote and look elsewhere than at HP ?
Thanks again to all four of you.

[Loris Bennett]

Post by Gerard ROBIN

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Hello Gerard,
I suspect this will fall on deaf ears, but hear goes......

tia.

Four people replied to this exact same question when you asked it
yesterday.
Please read them.

thanks for your reply. Sorry for sending this useless email. I had forgotten
that I was no longer registered on the debian-user list and when I didn't get
a response to my message I realized it and I registered and resent my message.
I read the messages of those who answered me and I thank them. I was asking
for help because I tried to configure the HP Smart Tank 7006 printer but it
was impossible: HPLIP is not suitable, CUPS does not see the printer, avahi
does not either. The Linux driver for this printer is missing. Finally I
returned it and now I'm still looking ... I will think about what Van Snyder
wrote and look elsewhere than at HP ?
Thanks again to all four of you.

Over 30 years or so I have used several HP printers with Debian without
any problem. A couple of years ago I sold the last one, and all-in-one,
due to the exorbitant price of HP ink and the firmware tweaking HP did to
prevent one from using non-HP cartridges.

I subsequently bought an Epson, which also works fine with Debian.
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Cheers,

Loris

[Van Snyder]

Post by Loris Bennett
I subsequently bought an Epson, which also works fine with Debian.
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance
rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

I print a cups test page on my Epsos EcoTank 2720 every week or so, if
I haven't printed something else that contains some colors. That's
enough to keep the print heads clean.

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

That's a lot of why I don't for the most part bother with inkjet printers and stick with my old HP 1320. Love that duplexer, too! :-)

[Roger Price]

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up ...

I had an excellent Epson Stylus Color 640, later a HP deskjet 845c and a HP
Officejet Pro K550. All they do now is gather dust. I print less and less, and
when I need to print a page I use the self service scanner/printers available in
post offices here in France. €0.30 per page black and white, €0.50 for colour.

Roger

[e***@gmx.us]

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Yeah, that's why I swore off inkjets. Laser printers don't care how long
they sit.

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Post by e***@gmx.us

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Yeah, that's why I swore off inkjets. Laser printers don't care how long
they sit.

+1 This is why I gave up using inkjets and moved to Brother Colour laser printers.

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[jeremy ardley]

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Post by e***@gmx.us

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Yeah, that's why I swore off inkjets. Laser printers don't care how long
they sit.

+1 This is why I gave up using inkjets and moved to Brother Colour laser printers.

My issue with laser printers is the consumables don't get close to the
advertised figures.

They are sold on a similar basis to inkjet printers where the printer is
sold at or below cost and the manufacturer makes their money on very
expensive consumables.

This goes triple for color laser printers.

I have now converted my workflow to thermal printers for labels and
invoices and largely avoid printing letters / A4.

I use pdf for document exchange and printers at big box stores when I
absolutely must have paper copies. I find the cost per page at the
big-box stores is roughly the same as the amortised cost per page of a
personal laser printer.

[jeremy ardley]

What about the time (and, therefore, cost) of getting to/from the print
shop? Time alone (for me) would add £22.88 (at minimum wage) to the cost
of any print job. Factor in fuel costs, parking fees, vehicle wear and
tear and depreciation, and suddenly that printer looks like a bargain.

The bigger picture is that personal printing is on the way out because
there is declining need for it. In its place is electronic delivery of
documents. As proof is the rapid decline in personal mail usage (while
personal parcel delivery in booming)

A good example is the transition from chemical based photography to
digital photography. In the old days you would take photos and send them
to a develop and print service (or even develop and print yourself!).

This transitioned to you take digital photos to a big box store and get
printed copies and a floppy disk or CD.

This has again transitioned to taking digital photos and uploading to an
image publishing service and never getting a printed copy.

There will always be a need for personal printers of any variety -
photo, text, etc, but in many cases they will get less and less use. In
the rare cases you need to print something today you can always go to a
printing service at some low marginal cost.

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

Post by e***@gmx.us

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance rigmarole
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Yeah, that's why I swore off inkjets. Laser printers don't care how long
they sit.

I have one old IBM laser printer where the pickup roller seems to have turned into goo...

[l***@ol1y.com]

DON'T!!!
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it
requires a monthly subscription).

Post by Loris Bennett

Post by e***@gmx.us

Post by Loris Bennett
However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles have
always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance

rigmarole

Post by e***@gmx.us

Post by Loris Bennett
and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

Yeah, that's why I swore off inkjets. Laser printers don't care how long
they sit.

I have one old IBM laser printer where the pickup roller seems to have turned into goo...
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[t***@tuxteam.de]

On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 19:29:01 +0100

Post by l***@ol1y.com
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it

Utter drivel.

They still try to make your life miserable if you don't:

Ink: Unfortunately, this printer like most HP printers has a lot of
limitations on the type of ink that is allowed to be used. You can
only use HP branded cartridges that contain a chip in it or subscribe
to Instant Ink (HP’s cartridge subscription service). The printer
comes with 3 months free of Instant Ink but the cartridge will no
longer function once you stop paying the monthly fee and you are
limited on how many pages you can print each month. You pay monthly
depending on the tier you choose. Furthermore, the printer only
comes with starter ink cartridges that are only a small portion
of a full cartridge, which means relatively immediately, you have
to subscribe to a monthly ink service or buy a full set of ink
cartridges. The starter cartridges are barely enough to print a few
lengthy documents and are an environmental waste of the cartridge. I
don’t like feeling so limited in what type of ink or how much
I can print each month and having another recurring monthly bill,
especially when my printing needs change every month.

[1]

I wouldn't buy that. This is the "inkjet gouging model", heavily
enhanced (chip-on-cartridge plus app plus printer phoning home).
That said, most inkjets have mutated into that.

Cheers

[1] https://www.bestbuy.com/site/reviews/hp-officejet-pro-8135e-wireless-all-in-one-inkjet-printer-with-3-months-of-instant-ink-included-with-hp-white/6565476

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 19:29:01 +0100

Post by l***@ol1y.com
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it

Utter drivel.
The e suffix means 'enhanced'. That is, it has some improvement(s) over
the base model.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/09/hp_to_discontinue_eseries_laserjets/

has a lot more information about this area. HP used to sell some
really good products, but that went away some time ago. The massively
expensive ink and toner lockin thing is a good reason to never give HP
money again.

[e***@gmx.us]

Post by Steve McIntyre

On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 19:29:01 +0100

Post by l***@ol1y.com
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it

Utter drivel.
The e suffix means 'enhanced'. That is, it has some improvement(s) over
the base model.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/09/hp_to_discontinue_eseries_laserjets/
has a lot more information about this area. HP used to sell some
really good products, but that went away some time ago. The massively
expensive ink and toner lockin thing is a good reason to never give HP
money again.

That's a shame. Over the years I've had several of their RPN calculators,
inkjets, and laser printers, and I really liked them all. Now, I don't know
what I'll do when this LJ 4200 dies. I really like the user-settable display.

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they're sleepwalking through the most transparent baloney imaginable.
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[t***@tuxteam.de]

Post by Steve McIntyre

On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 19:29:01 +0100

Post by l***@ol1y.com
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it

Utter drivel.
The e suffix means 'enhanced'. That is, it has some improvement(s) over
the base model.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/09/hp_to_discontinue_eseries_laserjets/

Thanks for the link. So they not only lock you into the consumable,
but they also need to phone home to function properly.

Now if someone with access to the (heh) fine print could tell us
what (and what not) HP commits to wrt. sharing that data with their
friendly data broker(s)...

Somehow I get the impression this whole kaboodle is going to implode
in very strange ways.

Cheers

[gene heskett]

Post by Gerard ROBIN

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 06:49:41 +0100
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Hello Gerard,
I suspect this will fall on deaf ears, but hear goes......

tia.

Four people replied to this exact same question when you asked it
yesterday.
Please read them.

thanks for your reply. Sorry for sending this useless email. I had forgotten
that I was no longer registered on the debian-user list and when I didn't get
a response to my message I realized it and I registered and resent my message.
I read the messages of those who answered me and I thank them. I was asking
for help because I tried to configure the HP Smart Tank 7006 printer but it
was impossible: HPLIP is not suitable, CUPS does not see the printer, avahi
does not either. The Linux driver for this printer is missing. Finally I
returned it and now I'm still looking ... I will think about what Van Snyder
wrote and look elsewhere than at HP ?
Thanks again to all four of you.

I have had great luck with brother printers when cups is neutered so all
the the factory drivers, which can make the brothers do everything
advertised in the brochure. I have a decade old ink squirter that does
tabloid if that paper is hand fed. An MFC-J6920-DW. Even its lid scanner
is tabloid sized. I also have a B&W laser, the $120 model HL-L2320D now
about 3 years old & just last week put the 2nd new toner in it. 19 or 20
duplex pages a minute. Dudlex is automatic for both if cups-browsed is
removed. The cups one size fits all doesn't. It limits the big printer
to feeding $0.50 a sheet foto paper from the top tray, and mucks up the
color while disabling duplex on both printers.

Brothers support for linux systems is great and far less intrusive, no
spyware. The big ink squirter's ink tanks are reasonable compared to
others due to active competition among the ink mixers, you aren't
limited to brother only inks unless you've calibrated it with brother
stuff. Huge, several reams of paper sized black tanks are available for
the big beast.

And tabloid cuts the number of sheets to 1/4 needed for a rockhopper map
of the logic of a linuxcnc machine, a printout of which may require a
4x8 sheet of plywood to paste it up.

Goto the brother site and download their installer script pkg, Unzip it
and run it. It looks at the system to see what it is, then asks you for
the complete model number, goes to the brother site and downloads and
installs the exact driver your brother printer needs and you can then
configure it with the cups home page at localhost:631.

Remember what you named it, there will be other drivers visible in the
cups web page, or in the requester your DE pops up when the print option
is selected, drivers cups installed, but the brother drivers work
flawlessly. Use them and be amazed, they Just Work to the full
capabilities of the printer. They make owning a printer fun.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

[Jeffrey Walton]

Post by Gerard ROBIN
my old hp ptotosmart printer died. It worked fine with HPLIP. Now I have to
buy a new one but they all use "HP Smart" for Windows exclusively. I would
like to know if these printers are still compatible with HPLIP. The printer
I want to buy is the "HP OfficeJet Pro 8134e All-ine-One" which is linux
compatible according to the specifications but which is configurable with
"HP Smart" under Windows. Will HPLIP be valid for this printer also under
linux ? Otherwise how can it be configured ?

Somewhat related, avoid the all-in-ones. If you want a printer, then
buy a printer. If you want a scanner, then buy a scanner.

My current setup is a HP Color LaserJet Pro M252dw printer with a HP
ScanJet Pro 4500 scanner. Both are business-class devices, and both
hang off my home network via built-in ethernet. I bought the setup
after Epson stopped me from using an all-in-one scanner because of
third party ink. (I still don't know what ink has to do with
scanning).

At the moment, HP does not forbid you from using non-HP toner in its
business-class printers. I understand that may not be the case for the
consumer-line printers, like the DeskJets. HP does provide a warning
in the printer's local webpage:

A non-HP supply has been installed. If you believe you purchased a
genuine HP supply, visit us at www.hp.com/go/anticounterfeit. Any
printer repair required as a result of using non-HP cartridges is not
covered under warranty.

And for the Color LaserJet, I installed the HPLIP package and use PCL
5 and 6 drivers, and the IPP printing protocol.

Jeff

[Tom Dial]

Post by Gerard ROBIN
Hello,
my old hp ptotosmart printer died. It worked fine with HPLIP. Now I have to
buy a new one but they all use "HP Smart" for Windows exclusively. I would
like to know if these printers are still compatible with HPLIP. The printer
I want to buy is the "HP OfficeJet Pro 8134e All-ine-One" which is linux
compatible according to the specifications but which is configurable with
"HP Smart" under Windows. Will HPLIP be valid for this printer also under
linux ? Otherwise how can it be configured ?

For HP printers, see:
https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing
(found by searching internet for "hplip")

The site has a list of (it says) 3,390 printers. The list of "All Supported Printers" looks like the newest are listed first.

Regards,
Tom Dial

Post by Gerard ROBIN
tia.

[Pedro Francisco]

Post by Gerard ROBIN
I want to buy is the "HP OfficeJet Pro 8134e All-ine-One"

DON'T!!!
e-suffix means it only works with HP Instank Ink program (as in: it requires
a monthly subscription).