Results of Testmail_1-3

[The Wanderer]

1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.
2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.
3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.
So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not
like.
As I am sending only text from me, seldom the text of the users, I
suppose, there is something in the header of the mail, which causes
this issue.
I suppose, I can do nothing else but create a new mail and copy and
paste from the received mail of the user. This should avoid the spam
tag.

That will break threading, though, unless you manually set up your reply
to include In-Reply-To: and/or References: headers with proper contents
(which will depend on the message you're replying to). And for all we
know, doing that might bring the problem back.

Weired thing at all.....

I would really recommend pursuing the cause with your mail provider, and
if they don't/won't fix it, considering switching mail providers.

[Dan Purgert]

1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.
2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.
3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.
So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not like.

Looking at your "test3" mail that you replied (and got ***SPAM*** on); I
see the following details (and a score of -5.8 vs. a target of 4.0)

tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,
MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED


The "DNSWL_HI" is the big help there, having a value of "-5". But even
without that, from the look of things, your message would only be about
a 0.2 thanks to the DKIM checks.

DKIM_INVALID => 0.1
DKIM_SIGNED => 0.1

Note -- checked on spamassassin 3.4.6 running on Bullseye.

HTH

[Michael Kjörling]

Weired thing at all.....

This "testing" of yours, so far, involves about two dozen emails, each
of which sent to about 3000 people. (Yes, I realize that I'm adding to
the deluge; I do apologize. This will be my _only_ one in this thread.)

Seriously, do all the about 3000 subscribers to debian-user (plus the
about 500 who are subscribed to the digest version of the list)
_really_ need to take part in your testing? Do the list archives
really need to be cluttered up with all this, which has nothing
whatsoever to do with Debian even in the slightest and is of _no_
general interest to the Debian users community? Could you not have
determined by looking at the publicly accessible archives that
whatever mangling you might be seeing almost certainly does _not_
happen before a problematic email reaches the list server?

[Max Nikulin]

Post by Michael Kjörling

Weired thing at all.....

This "testing" of yours, so far, involves about two dozen emails, each
of which sent to about 3000 people.

1. <https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct>

Post by Michael Kjörling
Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client is working.

2. There is <https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/> (side note: I
believed, it was mentioned either on the page cited above or on
<https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists>)

3. <https://www.debian.org/support#usenet>

Post by Michael Kjörling
A lot of our mailing lists can be browsed as newsgroups, in the linux.debian.* hierarchy.

is an alternative to fetch messages that do not pass through
subscriber's mail provider. However not all headers may be available there

[Keith Bainbridge]

Post by Max Nikulin

Post by Michael Kjörling

Weired thing at all.....

This "testing" of yours, so far, involves about two dozen emails, each
of which sent to about 3000 people.

1. <https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct>

Post by Michael Kjörling
Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client is working.

I believed, it was mentioned either on the page cited above or on
<https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists>)
3. <https://www.debian.org/support#usenet>

Post by Michael Kjörling
A lot of our mailing lists can be browsed as newsgroups, in the linux.debian.* hierarchy.

is an alternative to fetch messages that do not pass through
subscriber's mail provider. However not all headers may be available there

I wonder if the repeated replying to self has raised questions with the
spam filters?

Hans,  do you have access to an alternate smtp server, maybe your ISP or
gmail?
--
All the best

Keith Bainbridge

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[phone]

UTC + 10:00

[Hans]

Hi folks,

first of all: No, I can not change my provider nor use another smtp server.

second: I thought, this issue involves other people on this list, too, which
might be interesting for them.

third: I supposed, this issue is caused by debian mailservers, because this
issue appears ONLY at the debian list and nowhere else, I tested here.

fourth: As this issue seem only affect me, I suggest to close this discussion,
because it creates a lot of unnecessary traffic.

So I set this to "solved" and won't ask further more.

Thank you everyone, for your patience and your help!

Best regards and have a nice weekend!

Hans