Discussion:
do we have KDE expertise among us?
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Franco Martelli
2024-08-23 15:40:01 UTC
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Hi,

I'm a Debian KDE end-user from years, but in your post there are too
many topics! Try to write an email for each of these.
Beloved debian users,
After years of using GNOME (even back in my Ubuntu-days), i got fed up
with the ever changing behavior, which came on top of "development
politics". And since i was/am still on buster, i decided to move forward
to bookworm-KDE. But i am old and slow. It really took me a month to get
proof-of-concept. Now comes the harder part: to really take control of
this desktop, not like a developer, but as a user. (I am currently
evaluating to make use of ansible and redo the whole setup, but in a
reproducible way.)
1. I can't get Window rules to work, neither for wayland nor for x11, i
seem to be doing those wrong.
Do you mean that you have trouble using tools like xdotool or xprop?
2. I would really like to have a clickable menu only with my own
commands/scripts in it, preferably in one single file, not spread out
over many. Is such a thing available?
The only tool I know to rearrange KDE's menu is "kmenuedit"
3. Some applications are not listed by wmctrl -l as if they were not
managed by the window manager, therefore i cannot move them around in my
scripts (and windows rules ... i told ya)
Here wmctrl seems works fine in Xorg do you use Wayland?
4. True story: after just one day of living in the new environment, it
crashed hard, all the open applications were gone. Could be a strange
are incident, in buster, i had such a thing happen to me only about 4
times per year!
Me too had instability issue, I solved that changing the default setup,
It may depend on driver, acceleration, compositor…
Apart from the huge UI change, i also changed the root filesystem (it is
zfs now, i used to have my data in it before, but this time, it is
more). To achieve this, i went with zbm (zfsbootmanager) instead of
grub. tbh: currently, i still use both, switching at least twice per day.
And i got my VPN client working in KDE, only the iptable rules to
protect me from acidental leaks (kill switch) need to be reinstalled
after every boot. How to make them permanent the right way?
That's it for today, any comment/hint/suggestion warmly welcome, DdB
Too many topics

Cheers
--
Franco Martelli
Anssi Saari
2024-08-23 16:00:01 UTC
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Beloved debian users,
After years of using GNOME (even back in my Ubuntu-days), i got fed up
with the ever changing behavior, which came on top of "development
politics". And since i was/am still on buster, i decided to move forward
to bookworm-KDE.
I only dabble in KDE, my main desktop is still Awesome WM. I don't know
how to help with any of your KDE questions.
And i got my VPN client working in KDE, only the iptable rules to
protect me from acidental leaks (kill switch) need to be reinstalled
after every boot. How to make them permanent the right way?
Hm, I don't know if there's a permanent right way for iptables in Debian
but I tend to think any way that does the job is right.

I used to have a script in /etc/init.d for iptables firewall but since
it became just a wrapper for nftables I switched to that and the Debian
package nftables comes with a systemd service ready to go.
Joe
2024-08-23 20:40:01 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:57:22 +0300
Post by Anssi Saari
Beloved debian users,
After years of using GNOME (even back in my Ubuntu-days), i got
fed up with the ever changing behavior, which came on top of
"development politics". And since i was/am still on buster, i
decided to move forward to bookworm-KDE.
I only dabble in KDE, my main desktop is still Awesome WM. I don't
know how to help with any of your KDE questions.
And i got my VPN client working in KDE, only the iptable rules to
protect me from acidental leaks (kill switch) need to be reinstalled
after every boot. How to make them permanent the right way?
Hm, I don't know if there's a permanent right way for iptables in
Debian but I tend to think any way that does the job is right.
There has been iptables-persistent for many years, and now that is a
plugin for nftables-persistent.
Post by Anssi Saari
I used to have a script in /etc/init.d for iptables firewall but since
it became just a wrapper for nftables I switched to that and the
Debian package nftables comes with a systemd service ready to go.
--
Joe
Jeffrey Walton
2024-08-23 16:30:02 UTC
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 4:26 PM DdB
Beloved debian users,
After years of using GNOME (even back in my Ubuntu-days), i got fed up
with the ever changing behavior, which came on top of "development
politics". And since i was/am still on buster, i decided to move forward
to bookworm-KDE. But i am old and slow. It really took me a month to get
proof-of-concept. Now comes the harder part: to really take control of
this desktop, not like a developer, but as a user. (I am currently
evaluating to make use of ansible and redo the whole setup, but in a
reproducible way.)
1. I can't get Window rules to work, neither for wayland nor for x11, i
seem to be doing those wrong.
2. I would really like to have a clickable menu only with my own
commands/scripts in it, preferably in one single file, not spread out
over many. Is such a thing available?
3. Some applications are not listed by wmctrl -l as if they were not
managed by the window manager, therefore i cannot move them around in my
scripts (and windows rules ... i told ya)
4. True story: after just one day of living in the new environment, it
crashed hard, all the open applications were gone. Could be a strange
are incident, in buster, i had such a thing happen to me only about 4
times per year!
Apart from the huge UI change, i also changed the root filesystem (it is
zfs now, i used to have my data in it before, but this time, it is
more). To achieve this, i went with zbm (zfsbootmanager) instead of
grub. tbh: currently, i still use both, switching at least twice per day.
And i got my VPN client working in KDE, only the iptable rules to
protect me from acidental leaks (kill switch) need to be reinstalled
after every boot. How to make them permanent the right way?
That's it for today, any comment/hint/suggestion warmly welcome, DdB
Answering your titular question. There are debian-kde and
debian-qt-kde mailing lists. See
<https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html>.

Jeff
George at Clug
2024-08-23 23:40:01 UTC
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Beloved debian users,
After years of using GNOME (even back in my Ubuntu-days), i got fed up
with the ever changing behavior, which came on top of "development
politics". And since i was/am still on buster, i decided to move forward
to bookworm-KDE. But i am old and slow. It really took me a month to get
proof-of-concept. Now comes the harder part: to really take control of
this desktop, not like a developer, but as a user. (I am currently
evaluating to make use of ansible and redo the whole setup, but in a
reproducible way.)
And i got my VPN client working in KDE, only the iptable rules to
protect me from acidental leaks (kill switch) need to be reinstalled
after every boot. How to make them permanent the right way?
DdB,

I have little technical knowledge of Linux, compared to the things you indicated that you do.

I use KDE but I do not modify it beyond using the UI's own methods for menus, etc. I also use XFCE where to make changes to the menus I install and use menulibre.

In general, I use the base installed packages from the Debian repositories, and I do not alter the environment or its file systems. I guess a bit boring for many people in this email list, however it provides me with a stable and working environment. Hence I cannot offer suggests for many of the things you mentioned. However I do use iptables and now nftables (thanks to help provided from people in this Debian User list).

Maybe the answer to your question "How to make them permanent the right way?" would be by installing and using "iptables-persistent". I first set up my working rules, then once they are correct, I install iptables-persistent and save my rules. The below Debian web site offers another way besides using iptables-persistent, but I have not used this method.

# apt install iptables-persistent

https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
Another way is to use the package iptables-persistent. Rules can be stored something like this:

iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4
ip6tables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v6

https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-save-iptables-firewall-rules-permanently-on-linux/

George.

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